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Xavier Cardde
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Posted - 2005.02.04 15:34:00 - [1]

Originally by: Nero Scuro
You all seem to be missing a pretty vital point here.
The chances of finding a planet that humans could live on without the use of technology is about as likely as winning the lottery 74 times in a row while learning that this world is a computer program designed by evil robots and in the 'real' world you are destined to save humanity, and you must voyage into the 'fake' world and have cool kung-fu fights with the human personification of malicious pieces of computer code for the hell of it. While juggling 9 chainsaws with nothing but your nose.

So, not very likely at all. Rolling Eyes


These are the factors that a planet has to have EXACTLY the same as good 'ole Earth if you don't want to die of radiation poisoning/freezing/boiling/suffocating/internal implosion and other various assorted nasty things...

A - Has to be rock with a molten core. So it has to be the right age. Wrong age and you don't get a crust forming and/or volcanos/mountains/plate tectonics/continents/oceans. And this is the least of your problems.
B - Has to have a metal, magnetic core. No magnetic field and you can't use compasses! Oh, and you don't have an aptmosphere either and die of radiation poisoning...
C - Has to have air. NOT oxygen. Breathing pure oxygen has nasty side-effects... AND there are plenty of other nasty things that could easily kill people over time that could be present in only trace elements. For a preferable breathable aptmosphere, you'd need an oxygen/carbon dioxide rich planet with trace elements of argon, nitrogen, hydrogen and some other crap thrown in there. I forget exactly, but it isn't exactly likely you'll just find the right mix lying around...
D - Water. Duh... And by water I mean free flowing water. Water that isn't frozen or all gas. But it does have to evaporate at least a little, or you don't end up with clouds (which protect us) and quite a few nasty radions will get through from whatever sun is hangin' over head which is not nice. Radiation poisoning rears it's ugly head again...
E - Speaking of suns, you have to be around the right type (one that produces radiation that is neccesary for plant growth but won't kill you). No plants and you die, because you have no air. Oh, the sun also has to be the right age/size/luminosity/etc. And you have to be the right distance from it. Given the possible distances you could be from it, this is probably the least likely of them all to get right...
F - And no, you can't terraform a planet in 74 years.

So, given the number of planets in EVE, there isn't really a chance in hell that one could support human life without technology. So if people were cut off from home, and couldn't make their own air, they were screwed. And if they could make their own air, they had to keep the machines that made it running without replacements or probably any large scale manufacturing capabilities. You'd have to spend the next couple of thousands years living in a radiation bunker eating nothing but algae (no large, complicated, multicelluar plants, bucco! That'd require nitrogen, which you don't have! Well, not unless your unlucky. Keeping machinery running around large quantaties of nitrogen would NOT be fun), living in fear every day that you will no longer be able to breath.

So, no. No reason at all why technology went a little backwards...

Unless you count all the death.

And inability to do some little things, like breath.


Nitrogen isnt a trace element... it is the main ingredient in air.
Xavier Cardde
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Posted - 2005.02.04 15:34:00 - [2]

Originally by: Nero Scuro
You all seem to be missing a pretty vital point here.
The chances of finding a planet that humans could live on without the use of technology is about as likely as winning the lottery 74 times in a row while learning that this world is a computer program designed by evil robots and in the 'real' world you are destined to save humanity, and you must voyage into the 'fake' world and have cool kung-fu fights with the human personification of malicious pieces of computer code for the hell of it. While juggling 9 chainsaws with nothing but your nose.

So, not very likely at all. Rolling Eyes


These are the factors that a planet has to have EXACTLY the same as good 'ole Earth if you don't want to die of radiation poisoning/freezing/boiling/suffocating/internal implosion and other various assorted nasty things...

A - Has to be rock with a molten core. So it has to be the right age. Wrong age and you don't get a crust forming and/or volcanos/mountains/plate tectonics/continents/oceans. And this is the least of your problems.
B - Has to have a metal, magnetic core. No magnetic field and you can't use compasses! Oh, and you don't have an aptmosphere either and die of radiation poisoning...
C - Has to have air. NOT oxygen. Breathing pure oxygen has nasty side-effects... AND there are plenty of other nasty things that could easily kill people over time that could be present in only trace elements. For a preferable breathable aptmosphere, you'd need an oxygen/carbon dioxide rich planet with trace elements of argon, nitrogen, hydrogen and some other crap thrown in there. I forget exactly, but it isn't exactly likely you'll just find the right mix lying around...
D - Water. Duh... And by water I mean free flowing water. Water that isn't frozen or all gas. But it does have to evaporate at least a little, or you don't end up with clouds (which protect us) and quite a few nasty radions will get through from whatever sun is hangin' over head which is not nice. Radiation poisoning rears it's ugly head again...
E - Speaking of suns, you have to be around the right type (one that produces radiation that is neccesary for plant growth but won't kill you). No plants and you die, because you have no air. Oh, the sun also has to be the right age/size/luminosity/etc. And you have to be the right distance from it. Given the possible distances you could be from it, this is probably the least likely of them all to get right...
F - And no, you can't terraform a planet in 74 years.

So, given the number of planets in EVE, there isn't really a chance in hell that one could support human life without technology. So if people were cut off from home, and couldn't make their own air, they were screwed. And if they could make their own air, they had to keep the machines that made it running without replacements or probably any large scale manufacturing capabilities. You'd have to spend the next couple of thousands years living in a radiation bunker eating nothing but algae (no large, complicated, multicelluar plants, bucco! That'd require nitrogen, which you don't have! Well, not unless your unlucky. Keeping machinery running around large quantaties of nitrogen would NOT be fun), living in fear every day that you will no longer be able to breath.

So, no. No reason at all why technology went a little backwards...

Unless you count all the death.

And inability to do some little things, like breath.


Nitrogen isnt a trace element... it is the main ingredient in air.
Xavier Cardde
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Posted - 2005.02.04 22:46:00 - [3]

Originally by: Nero Scuro
Quote:
really, this planet is quite a marvel


Exactly. You won't find another planet with all the (unlikely) phenomena of Earth, and therefore you aren't likely to find another planet that could support Terrestrial life (beyond the oh-so resourceful but truthfully quite crappy bacteria).



Yes you will...

http://www.futurehi.net/archives/000168.html

Read that and you will find that even if a earth type planet happened only once every trillion trillion galaxies there would still be BILLIONS AND BILLIONS of earth type worlds
Xavier Cardde
Xavier Cardde
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Posted - 2005.02.04 22:46:00 - [4]

Originally by: Nero Scuro
Quote:
really, this planet is quite a marvel


Exactly. You won't find another planet with all the (unlikely) phenomena of Earth, and therefore you aren't likely to find another planet that could support Terrestrial life (beyond the oh-so resourceful but truthfully quite crappy bacteria).



Yes you will...

http://www.futurehi.net/archives/000168.html

Read that and you will find that even if a earth type planet happened only once every trillion trillion galaxies there would still be BILLIONS AND BILLIONS of earth type worlds
   
 
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